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	<title>Laughing Meme &#187; wiki</title>
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		<title>Wikihistory</title>
		<link>http://laughingmeme.org/2008/03/25/wikihistory/</link>
		<comments>http://laughingmeme.org/2008/03/25/wikihistory/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 05:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kellan</dc:creator>
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		<category><![CDATA[alternate history]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[community]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[hitler]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[everybody kills Hitler on their first trip.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>everybody kills Hitler on their first trip.</p>
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		<title>Jeremie and Jimmy to Build Open Search Platform</title>
		<link>http://laughingmeme.org/2007/07/06/jeremie-and-jimmy-to-build-open-search-platform/</link>
		<comments>http://laughingmeme.org/2007/07/06/jeremie-and-jimmy-to-build-open-search-platform/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 14:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kellan</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Aside]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Uncategorized]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[community]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[distributed]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[See also Jeremie&#8217;s post.  Haven&#8217;t evaluated it yet.  What if any the intersection/overlap with Nutch is.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See also <a href="http://jeremie.com/blog/index.php?entry=entry070705-151731">Jeremie&#8217;s post</a>.  Haven&#8217;t evaluated it yet.  What if any the intersection/overlap with Nutch is.</p>
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		<title>That Yak Won&#8217;t Sing</title>
		<link>http://laughingmeme.org/2007/03/11/that-yak-wont-sing/</link>
		<comments>http://laughingmeme.org/2007/03/11/that-yak-wont-sing/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 01:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kellan</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Uncategorized]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[process]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[sf]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[sunday]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[wifimug]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[wiki]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[yakshaving]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://laughingmeme.org/2007/03/11/that-yak-wont-sing/</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[

Enough frisbee, need to get a little work done this weekend.  Need a good coffee shop with wifi and power on a Sunday.  

Hmmm, really what I need to do is to finally get around to setting up a San Francisco WifiMug.

Which reminds me that I&#8217;m kind of unhappy with the current state [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/revcyborg/22883042/" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/17/22883042_01f3a1a3d2.jpg" width="500" height="386" alt="yak shaving" /></a></p>

<p><a href="http://twitter.com/kellan/statuses/6813641">Enough frisbee</a>, need to get a little work done this weekend.  Need a good coffee shop with wifi <strong>and</strong> power on a Sunday.  </p>

<p>Hmmm, really what I need to do is to finally get around to setting up a San Francisco <a href="http://seattle.wifimug.org">WifiMug</a>.</p>

<p>Which reminds me that I&#8217;m kind of unhappy with the current state of the WifiMug codebase (and it&#8217;s showing its age a bit, pre-Web 2.0!), guess I should research available Rails wiki software.</p>

<p>Though what I really should do is whip out that Wiki-meets-structured-data-creation-PlacesWiki I&#8217;ve been meaning to write.</p>

<p>But first I want to do a comprehensive survey of alternative wiki markups, the space has really fractured. <a href="http://stikkit.com/">Stikkit</a> is doing good things with natural mark up, while <a href="http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Semantic_MediaWiki">Semantic MediaWiki</a> steamrolls its way through the expressiveness sweet spot, and <a href="http://code.google.com/">Google Code</a> wiki has some interesting stuff going on.</p>

<p>But, um, um, um, I should write a new web browser and search engine to research wikis!  Yeah, thats the ticket!  </p>
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		<title>stikkit is out</title>
		<link>http://laughingmeme.org/2006/11/07/stikkit-is-out/</link>
		<comments>http://laughingmeme.org/2006/11/07/stikkit-is-out/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 03:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kellan</dc:creator>
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		<category><![CDATA[collaboration]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[rails]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[wiki]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[new Portland band, opening for the Decemberists
]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>new Portland band, opening for the Decemberists</p>
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		<title>RecentChangesCamp 2006 &#8230; &#8220;Building communities worth having!&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://laughingmeme.org/2006/01/30/recentchangescamp-2006-building-communities-worth-having/</link>
		<comments>http://laughingmeme.org/2006/01/30/recentchangescamp-2006-building-communities-worth-having/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kellan</dc:creator>
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		<category><![CDATA[portland]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[unconference]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Love the slogan
]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love the slogan</p>
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		<title>Atom and Wiki Driven Testing</title>
		<link>http://laughingmeme.org/2005/12/20/atom-and-wiki-driven-testing/</link>
		<comments>http://laughingmeme.org/2005/12/20/atom-and-wiki-driven-testing/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kellan</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[atom]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[magpie]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[rss]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[syndication]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[tdd]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[testing]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[wiki]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://lm.quxx.info/?p=3169</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Its been a long standing todo to port Mark&#8217;s FeedParser tests to work against Magpie, possibly with an intermediate representation to allow cross-language testing. (has any work been down on capturing unit tests/acceptance tests in XML?)  Sam&#8217;s approach hilights Ruby-the-language&#8217;s awesome flexibility (I&#8217;d been playing with something similar for the parser we wrote for [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its been a long standing todo to port Mark&#8217;s <a href="http://feedparser.org/tests/">FeedParser tests</a> to work against Magpie, possibly with an intermediate representation to allow cross-language testing. (has any work been down on capturing unit tests/acceptance tests in XML?)  Sam&#8217;s <a href="http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/2005/10/30/Testing-FeedTools-Dynamically">approach</a> hilights Ruby-the-language&#8217;s awesome flexibility (I&#8217;d been playing with something similar for the parser we wrote for <a href="http://odeo.com">Odeo</a>), but doesn&#8217;t map to PHP/Magpie very well.</p>

<p><a href="http://feedparser.org/tests/">Phil</a> kicked off a <a href="http://weblog.philringnalda.com/2005/12/18/who-knows-a-title-from-a-hole-in-the-ground">new round</a> of testing for Atom 1.0, the results of which are <a href="http://intertwingly.net/wiki/pie/TitleConformanceTests">now captured in the Atom wiki</a>. (not to mention a few gentle nudges on Magpie&#8217;s lack of 1.0 compliance.)</p>

<p>All of which got me thinking, it would be exceptionally cool if someone made the FeedParser&#8217;s tests available on the <a href="http://www.intertwingly.net/wiki/pie/FrontPage">Atom wiki</a> using <a href="http://c2.com/~ward/">Ward&#8217;s</a> <a href="http://fit.c2.com/">FIT</a> concept in a documented, reportable fashion.</p>

<p>Any takers?</p>
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		<title>PHP Wiki Experience?</title>
		<link>http://laughingmeme.org/2005/11/21/php-wiki-experience/</link>
		<comments>http://laughingmeme.org/2005/11/21/php-wiki-experience/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2005 20:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kellan</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[opensource]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[php]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[riseup.net]]></category>
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		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://lm.quxx.info/?p=3118</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Thought I&#8217;d check to see if anyone has any experience with the PHP wiki offerings, especially DokuWiki, or PmWiki?  

I&#8217;m looking for something suitable for building out a FAQ, and docs site for Magpie.  I&#8217;m disinclined towards MediaWiki because I&#8217;ve found Kwiki&#8217;s approach of using the filesystem for data storage a plus, and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thought I&#8217;d check to see if anyone has any experience with the PHP wiki offerings, especially <a href="http://wiki.splitbrain.org/">DokuWiki</a>, or <a href="http://www.pmwiki.org/">PmWiki</a>?  </p>

<p>I&#8217;m looking for something suitable for building out a FAQ, and docs site for Magpie.  I&#8217;m disinclined towards <a href="http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki">MediaWiki</a> because I&#8217;ve found <a href="http://kwiki.org/">Kwiki&#8217;s</a> approach of using the filesystem for data storage a plus, and because I don&#8217;t anticipate a need for MathML support, or other such esoterica.</p>

<p>Currently leaning towards <a href="http://wiki.splitbrain.org/">DokuWiki</a> partially on the suggestive nature of the name (sounds like &#8220;documentation&#8221;), and partially on <a href="http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2004/10/11/pick-of-the-wikis-dokuwiki/">Harry&#8217;s 2004 SitePoint review</a>.  Possibly supplemented by <a href="http://dev.riseup.net/bamboo/">Bamboo</a>, which is a lot like a <a href="http://www.hieraki.org/trac/">Hieraki</a> for PHP.</p>

<p>Praise, disagreement, experiences, resources?</p>
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		<title>Wicked Wiki: A Boston Wiki with a JP Bias</title>
		<link>http://laughingmeme.org/2005/11/14/wicked-wiki-a-boston-wiki-with-a-jp-bias/</link>
		<comments>http://laughingmeme.org/2005/11/14/wicked-wiki-a-boston-wiki-with-a-jp-bias/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kellan</dc:creator>
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		<category><![CDATA[boston]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[collaboration]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[jp]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[local]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[travel]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice.</p>
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		<title>JotTaggingExperiment</title>
		<link>http://laughingmeme.org/2005/10/26/jottaggingexperiment/</link>
		<comments>http://laughingmeme.org/2005/10/26/jottaggingexperiment/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kellan</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Aside]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[metadata]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[tagging]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[just what wikis needs more unstructured data creation!  (j/k but I would like to see wiki tagging best practices integrated with backlinks practices)
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just what wikis needs more unstructured data creation!  (j/k but I would like to see wiki tagging best practices integrated with backlinks practices)</p>
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		<title>AdvocacyDev II kicked off today, follow along on the wiki.</title>
		<link>http://laughingmeme.org/2005/07/11/advocacydev-ii-kicked-off-today-follow-along-on-the-wiki/</link>
		<comments>http://laughingmeme.org/2005/07/11/advocacydev-ii-kicked-off-today-follow-along-on-the-wiki/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2005 22:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kellan</dc:creator>
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		<category><![CDATA[advocacydev]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[aspiration]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[nptech]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[sanfran]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[AdvocacyDev II: Recent Changes
]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AdvocacyDev II: Recent Changes</p>
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		<title>Many-to-Many: wikiHow to Open Content</title>
		<link>http://laughingmeme.org/2005/07/05/many-to-many-wikihow-to-open-content/</link>
		<comments>http://laughingmeme.org/2005/07/05/many-to-many-wikihow-to-open-content/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2005 21:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kellan</dc:creator>
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		<category><![CDATA[collaboration]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[howto]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[web2.0]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sweet!  I loved eHow, and how to&#8217;s in general.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sweet!  I loved eHow, and how to&#8217;s in general.</p>
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		<title>boston.wifimug.org</title>
		<link>http://laughingmeme.org/2004/12/14/bostonwifimugorg/</link>
		<comments>http://laughingmeme.org/2004/12/14/bostonwifimugorg/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2004 23:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kellan</dc:creator>
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		<category><![CDATA[boston]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[coffee]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[wifi]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[wifimug]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[wiki]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[wireless]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://lm.quxx.info/?p=2711</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[A collaborative guide to wireless coffee shops in Boston
]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A collaborative guide to wireless coffee shops in Boston</p>
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		<title>Wikipedia the &#8220;faith based encyclopedia&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://laughingmeme.org/2004/11/16/wikipedia-the-faith-based-encyclopedia/</link>
		<comments>http://laughingmeme.org/2004/11/16/wikipedia-the-faith-based-encyclopedia/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2004 22:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kellan</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Aside]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[credibility]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[wiki]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[wikipedia]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[See: ConflictOfInterest. [but at least we got the Presidential stamp of approval]
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See: ConflictOfInterest. [but at least we got the Presidential stamp of approval]</p>
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		<title>Vancouver WifiMug</title>
		<link>http://laughingmeme.org/2004/11/12/vancouver-wifimug/</link>
		<comments>http://laughingmeme.org/2004/11/12/vancouver-wifimug/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2004 18:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kellan</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Aside]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[coffee]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[wifi]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[wiki]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://lm.quxx.info/?p=2629</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Just getting started, but already lots of great listings.
]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just getting started, but already lots of great listings.</p>
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		<title>WikipedizeText</title>
		<link>http://laughingmeme.org/2004/11/04/wikipedizetext/</link>
		<comments>http://laughingmeme.org/2004/11/04/wikipedizetext/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Nov 2004 22:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kellan</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Aside]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[webservice]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[wiki]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[wikipedia]]></category>

		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://lm.quxx.info/?p=2619</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Grrr, I was so going to do that!  Nice job.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grrr, I was <em>so</em> going to do that!  Nice job.</p>
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		<title>Migrating Kwiki metabase/rcs</title>
		<link>http://laughingmeme.org/2004/10/23/migrating-kwiki-metabasercs/</link>
		<comments>http://laughingmeme.org/2004/10/23/migrating-kwiki-metabasercs/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Oct 2004 22:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kellan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A part of the protest.net&#8217;s recent move to a new server, we&#8217;ve moved towards less custom compiled packages, and a more standard Debian install.  One of those changes was that apache no longer runs as the user &#8216;apache&#8217;, but rather as &#8216;www-data&#8217;.  Well and fine, except Wifimug is using rcs to provide versioning, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A part of the protest.net&#8217;s recent move to a new server, we&#8217;ve moved towards less custom compiled packages, and a more standard Debian install.  One of those changes was that apache no longer runs as the user &#8216;apache&#8217;, but rather as &#8216;www-data&#8217;.  Well and fine, except <a href="http://wifimug.org">Wifimug</a> is using rcs to provide versioning, and every file is strictly locked by the user apache, who no longer exists.  What to do?</p>

<p>First mass unlock all the files with:
<pre>sudo rcs -u *,v</pre></p>

<p>Then mass re-lock with:
<pre>sudo -u www-data rcs -l *,v</pre></p>

<p>Hat tip to <a href="http://bumppo.net/">Nat</a> for pointing out the problem.</p>
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		<title>JotSpot</title>
		<link>http://laughingmeme.org/2004/10/06/jotspot/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2004 02:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kellan</dc:creator>
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JotSpot&#8217;s idea of roll your own applications through structred wiki
use sounds brilliant to me, and the pharse &#8220;browse our application
gallery&#8221; makes me all goose bumpy.  Haven&#8217;t played with it yet, so
obviously going to reserve judgement until then.  However they get
high marks in my book for being a company who blogs. 
I don&#8217;t think [...]]]></description>
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<a href="http://jot.com/">JotSpot&#8217;s</a> idea of roll your own applications through structred wiki
use sounds brilliant to me, and the pharse &#8220;browse our application
gallery&#8221; makes me all goose bumpy.  Haven&#8217;t played with it yet, so
obviously going to reserve judgement until then.  However they get
high marks in my book for being a company <a
href="http://bnoopy.typepad.com/" title="Joe Kraus, CEO">who</a> <a href="http://weblog.foopee.org/"
title="Grahman Spencer, CTO">blogs</a>. 
I don&#8217;t think I can take a web company who isn&#8217;t blogging seriously.
</p>

<p><p>
<b>update:</b> Some notes on watching Jon Udell&#8217;s <a href="http://weblog.infoworld.com/udell/2004/10/06.html#a1090">recording of a Jot demo.</a></p>

<ul>
<li>Looks like it would have been a good year to make it to Web 2.0, the bankers and MBAs are finally gone again, and we can get back to building interesting tools. (but cut it out w/ the damn lazlo applets, when I want to slow my browser to a crawl, I&#8217;ll go find an animation of Duke doing somersaults)</li>

<li> Too small to see real details <img src='http://laughingmeme.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </li>

<li> something we call &#8220;forms&#8221; with &#8220;fields&#8221; <img src='http://laughingmeme.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </li>

<li> on <a href="http://wifimug.org">wifimug</a> I&#8217;ve been playing a little bit with similar ideas, but stopping short of creating a form concept instead relying on guessable/mungeable key-value pair mappings. </li>

<li> <a href="http://openguides.org/">openguides</a> would benefit from inline structure creation like this.  Is <a href="http://socialtext.com/">SocialText</a> thinking about this at all?  And if so could we get that contributed back to <a href="http://kwiki.org">Kwiki</a>?</li>

<li> <a href="http://www.prevayler.org/wiki.jsp">prevayler</a>? (saw an exception, couldn&#8217;t tell what language.)</li>

<li> <a href="http://www.craigslist.org/pen/eng/41706729.html">Twiki, Moin Moin, PHPWiki</a>?  I don&#8217;t think so.  Wonder what thats about?</li>

<li> external datasources: rss digester (of course) but also xslt driven digester (not web services?).  the salesforce demo is pretty compelling, the 2-way sync can&#8217;t be done w/ an XSLT digester, something else at work there.</li>

<li> &#8220;intelligently federated data&#8221; &#8211; sweet phrase and a hard problem</li>

<li> has a &#8220;lotus notes like flavor&#8221;, was thinking that myself.  Enabling development by people &#8220;close to the data&#8221;.</li>

<li> interesting to see other folks grappling with the &#8220;its an ASP, but there is custom development&#8221; issue.</li>

<li> they missed (or avoided) jon&#8217;s question about once an org has allowed a 1000 custom apps to bloom through out their workflow/infrastructure how to cope/version/structure/remember. (aka &#8220;the lotus notes problem&#8221;)
<p>
I see a bad case of &#8220;snowflakes&#8221; incoming.  Similar but perhaps even worse then the problem you see currently in desktop &#8220;database development&#8221;.

<li> this is <a href="http://www.shirky.com/writings/situated_software.html">situated software</a>.</li>

<li> I think this is one of the tensions we&#8217;re struggling with right now in web development, doing more with less, and making space for emergent properties. 
<p>
Its not the route I&#8217;m going right now in the apps <a href="http://groundspring.org">I&#8217;m building</a>, and it certainly isn&#8217;t what anyone is asking for, but I can&#8217;t help but wonder if its a missed opportunity.  
<p>
No reason &#8220;loosely joined&#8221; has to apply only to your relationships external to your org.  Drastically simpler interfaces and lower activation costs is a tradeoff with big ball of string, and tyranny of structurelessness.  
    
<li> how does it handle new records?  10,000 records?  100,000 records?</li>

<li> the game right now is simple tools, &#8220;collaboration primitives&#8221; with low skill theshold but powerful enough to get unexpected behaviours. </li>

</ul>

<p></p></p>
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		<title>Authority and autonomy as applied to knowledge</title>
		<link>http://laughingmeme.org/2004/09/05/authority-and-autonomy-as-applied-to-knowledge/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2004 21:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kellan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Using wikipedia as case in point.
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		<title>SeattleDrunks Wiki, detailed information about Seattle&#8217;s happy hours.</title>
		<link>http://laughingmeme.org/2004/08/11/seattledrunks-wiki-detailed-information-about-seattles-happy-hours/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kellan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seattle is the most wikified city on earth.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seattle is the most wikified city on earth.</p>
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		<title>WifiMug now with search by address</title>
		<link>http://laughingmeme.org/2004/06/13/wifimug-now-with-search-by-address/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jun 2004 09:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kellan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Courtesy of the geocoder.us webservice.
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